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Hesham A. Hassaballa, MD's avatar

Love the analysis and the policy proscription in the piece. The whole SEP-1 bundle has been a mess.

Duncan M. Kuhn MD's avatar

A belated "Amen, brother." My only constructive criticism would be that having been around before GDT was popularized, it was awful - septic (and other ) shock mortality rates, and permanent renal failure and ischemic limbs were much much higher. A lot of this was due to dawdling on the part of Medicine docs - too much navel gazing, worrying about the effects of fluids (OMG they might have CHF!), etc. I feel pretty strongly that Rivers and GDT sort of shocked people into DOING things (ignoring the issues about the monitoring, data analysis, etc). As Dr. Hassaballa said on another thread of yours, "The keys to sepsis care are simple: (1) high index of suspicion; (2) early, broad-spectrum antibiotics; and (3) aggressive volume resuscitation in those who are volume depleted/responsive, vasopressors for those who need them."

In response to Steven SImpson's comment about sepsis alerts not being part of SEP-1, your "venture into policy" is hardly a non-sequitur. Every hospital is subject to the SEP-1 CMS guidelines, and in turn is using sepsis alert tools in frameworks like EPIC to try to enhance policy compliance. As an ICU Director and unlucky sepsis committee Chair, these two issues are intertwined.

Regarding his criticism of your comments about Abx and fluid timing, while sooner is clearly better than later (as any critical reading of the literature of either shows) we have little idea of what "sooner" means and the more studies are done the more vexing it seems - as it should, as the onset of sepsis has an entirely different nature than the critical break point of an MI or CVA.

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