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Hesham A. Hassaballa, MD's avatar

This is an absolute travesty. Can’t tell you how many times I have had goals of care conversations with my critically ill patients’ families when they come to the ICU. This needs to change. This has inspired a future podcast episode to further raise awareness and advocate. Thank you!

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Great! Thanks again. This one would be curious to know if seen in other countries.

Recently had a 92yo stage iv duodenal cancer - more liver mets than actual Mets players - who had a nice 4d icu stay for sbo and aspiration pneumonia - the private oncology practice (run by private equity who have billboards and private transport vehicles for their monopolistic supply chain) told him - you have 3-6months no chemo 1yr chemo. Well the pt’s a living - +amio for his afib worsening, +ngt for 4d as exasperated surgeons really didn’t want to operate, and plus some good ol abx for that aspiration pneumonia. To be fair he seemed like a mentally strong 92 but still - no statistics allow such a statement to be offered precisely and you need to be clearer about side effects.

Would like that decision to occur independent of the numerous downstream financial incentives such a practice has.

No palliative care trigger.

Like you are giving “palliative” chemo but not requesting actual palliative care?!

*who knows how intensivists will be if/once we or ones close to us get there? In my small n of docs who go through similar - (again selecting for ones seen in the icu) it’s not a minor amount that will defer futile care and opt for onc aggressiveness.

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