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Ryan Maves's avatar

Your observation about pleural fluid analysis for TB is interesting, because I didn’t read it thinking that the AI did your thinking for you. I saw that you looked something up and learned new information that you will use in the future, because we are also systems that can learn and adapt. This is no different than looking something up online or in a book - more efficient, sure, which is one of its strengths, but still a human act that expanded a human’s knowledge. In the future, you will know to order an ADA on that pleural fluid (and maybe get a pleural biopsy).

I am 51 years old - old enough to remember paper charts, but young enough to have come up with a variety of evolving digital tools. I am a bit of a Luddite when it comes to some tools in the ICU. (Arterial lines are not as useful as some people think; before you do your cleverly-acronymed POCUS study, have you considered taking a history and performing a physical exam?) But as I’ve used these systems a bit more, I see their utility and will work to find ways to improve care by making me better, not by replacing me.

The AI clinical notes are also interesting. I have found that the outpatient notes they generate are poorly-written, do not explain clinical reasoning well, and have a prose style not to my liking. However, they do take notes very well. I have taken to using DAX as my note taker in clinic, rather than my note writer. It doesn’t speed me up dramatically, but it does mean that I can focus my attention entirely on the patient in the office and not on my notepad or a computer screen. After clinic, I can use the notes it took to write a proper note.

Decreasing the time it takes me to find needed data serves my patients and serves my competence. Taking notes for me in the office means that I can focus my attention more directly on the patient. I will not delegate the core clinical decision-making and personal relationships that make critical care what it is. But if the machine can speed up my lit search, I can live with that.

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I finished med school in 2010...my first 2 years of residency were still on paper...oh how I miss paper charting; but even then, I knew a good deal of the technology available and how to use it. I even remember the specific moment when my MA show me a function I overlooked on the computer...something I did with my attendings and others still to this day, so it hit me like a ton of bricks when that happened.

With the LLM's, I'm absolutely lost. I downloaded to my phone the ChatGPT app, but really didn't find a use for it enough to replace just using google search (though I admit, I do like - most of the time - the google's AI summary). After a month of not using it more than 2 or 3 times, I deleted the app.

For the last several years, I've been full time locums, and use multiple different EMRs. I've seen some with the disclaimer that AI was utilized in the development of the progress note (specifically in an office), but have yet to really see AI, knowingly, in any of the systems I've used that I can easily access within the systems (much less to be able to use and make things run smoother).

What I am curious about, what apps/websites/etc, are others using for AI or that integrate AI and how are they using it - like I do Google Search - or ?.

Thanks!

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